Curse

Cybah · Mar 25, 2006, 12:12 PM // 12:12

For example, there are now:

20%/20% ONE-HANDED air wand <-OMG

-5 20% +30 always req9 strength shield <- HOLY SHIT ARE U CRAZY ANET?

Which other uber collector items did you found? Tell here!

Cyan The Archer · Mar 25, 2006, 12:14 PM // 12:14

You are kidding, right?

Cybah · Mar 25, 2006, 12:16 PM // 12:16

Avarre · Mar 25, 2006, 12:17 PM // 12:17

Collector items have always been max, with max mods. This emphasizes Anet's point that you don't have to farm to do as well as someone who does. The main value of farming is in getting high mods on gold items.

Those are existing mods on gold items. They are no more overpowered than their gold, hyper-rare-skinned forms.

TideSwayer · Mar 25, 2006, 12:18 PM // 12:18

Man, if there is a Fire Wand variant of that Air Wand in factions, the price of Rago's Green wand just took another freefall. Likewise for Brohn's Holy Rod and healing.

Cybah · Mar 25, 2006, 12:18 PM // 12:18

you know, that there is...

NO 15^50 collector sword

NO PERFECT ENCHANTED SHIELD

... on prophecies!

And there IS a 20% one handed air wand on prophecies, but NOT a 20/20.

TideSwayer · Mar 25, 2006, 12:20 PM // 12:20

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Originally Posted by Cybah

you know, that there is...

NO 15^50 collector sword

NO PERFECT ENCHANTED SHIELD

... on prophecies!

And there IS a 20% one handed air wand on prophecies, but NOT a 20/20.

There's been a 15^50 collector long sword at Drok's for quite some time now. As of the latest balance update (Griffin nerf), there are even 15^50 axes there too.

Cybah · Mar 25, 2006, 12:26 PM // 12:26

droks is not collector

droks is 5k+materials - even cheap too, but not for 0 gold -.-

and droks only got ugly styled weapons (except hammer)

G.S. · Mar 25, 2006, 12:40 PM // 12:40

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Originally Posted by TideSwayer

Man, if there is a Fire Wand variant of that Air Wand in factions, the price of Rago's Green wand just took another freefall. Likewise for Brohn's Holy Rod and healing.

Joh · Mar 25, 2006, 12:44 PM // 12:44

There are more too. Saw a 20/20 death yesterday together with a 20/20 divine. I thought 20/20 wands got nerfed or something. o.O

TideSwayer · Mar 25, 2006, 12:46 PM // 12:46

Ha ha. Good thing I didn't decide to fork over the 25-30k for Rago's wand yesterday.

EDIT: I love how the collectors have stories now! I would love it if they updated the Tyrian collectors with stories of their own. (Why the heck does Luven Underwood want Minotaur Horns anyways? More importantly, why the heck is his last name Underwood?)

Ex0dus · Mar 25, 2006, 12:54 PM // 12:54

[sarcasm]By chapter 3 they will give everyone every potentially useful item in the game in pre-searing (req 2 of course) and give everyone 99 of every dye so they can customize their colors too. By chapter 4 they will remove the trade button since there will be no point in using it anymore and hand everyone 250 ecto and shards for fow armor.[/sarcasm]

Way to further nerf the economy.

I dont mind some collectors items, hell people need a chance to be somewhat competitive. However putting every possibly useful combination together in a collector item that is just a hop skip and a jump away is just plain silly.

Forgive me if i am not new person friendly, but I had to go through the times where most everything was over priced and I made it out just fine (without ebaying my way through). I figure most everyone else here did too, why make things so easy on every new person that comes in?

I understand that PvE is supposed to lead to PvP and all of that, but when you keep getting rid of everyones reason to even bother with pve beyond skill hunting and stories few people care about past the first playtrough, people wont enjoy the pve aspect long enough to even make it worth having.

The market is part of the game that keeps some people playing longer than they would pvp (myself included) It is a social aspect of the game I enjoy (when im not just randomly talking). The interaction with the other people, finding that nice item that some other person might have, trying to haggle down the price. Yore talking that all away with this.

[self-defense]Oh and before people call me a mindless farmer and the like, I enjoy killing enemies, doing missions and the like, but if we didnt have the prospect of getting a somewhat unique or otherwise somewhat valuable item, we all know there would be FAR fewer people playing pve or even bothering to move from pve to pvp (since the game is so quickly beatable).

Oh and before everyone else decides to tell me to get ffxi or wow if i love grinding so much, I cant due to 56k and besides Im not a grind lover, I just like to enjoy my pve and not have to worry about the crying over pvp balancing or the leets vs noobs and all of that.[/self-defense]

[rant]Its funny that anet worries about grinding in pve so much, when the real grind (in my eyes) is in the pvp areas for faction and fame/rank. Dont those on both ends of the game run one cookie cutter build or another? Why do you desire so much to nerf any potential gain from hours of playing pve when you dont bother with that same idea in pvp?

im just fed up with everything i hear these days about all of this <_< sorry if i offend people.[/rant]

-Ex0dus

Mordakai · Mar 25, 2006, 12:56 PM // 12:56

Keep these please Anet! Remember the casual gamer...

Mordakai · Mar 25, 2006, 01:01 PM // 13:01

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Originally Posted by Ex0dus

Way to further nerf the economy.

We don't know what ultra rare Gold items will be in Factions, do we?!? [/quote]

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The interaction with the other people, finding that nice item that some other person might have, trying to haggle down the price. Yore talking that all away with this.

Correction, an Auction House will put an end to this... and scammers too.

Sorry, I don't feel like having to spend hours finding an honest seller.

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Originally Posted by Ex0dus

Oh and before people call me a mindless farmer and the like, I enjoy killing enemies, doing missions and the like, but if we didnt have the prospect of getting a somewhat unique or otherwise somewhat valuable item, we all know there would be FAR fewer people playing pve or even bothering to move from pve to pvp (since the game is so quickly beatable).

Oh and before everyone else decides to tell me to get ffxi or wow if i love grinding so much, I cant due to 56k and besides Im not a grind lover, I just like to enjoy my pve and not have to worry about the crying over pvp balancing or the leets vs noobs and all of that.

If you enjoy it, then what's the prob? There will still be uber Golds!

thelessa · Mar 25, 2006, 01:14 PM // 13:14

But can you sell them to chap1 only people?

Ex0dus · Mar 25, 2006, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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We don't know what ultra rare Gold items will be in Factions, do we?!?

Unless they make a bunch of new mods, all gold combinations will be basically pointless. You can find them in greens that are easy enough to get or collectors. Im not paying 100k for a skin, id rather pay it for something somewhat practical.

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Correction, an Auction House will put an end to this... and scammers too.

Sorry, I don't feel like having to spend hours finding an honest seller.

An auction house wouldnt get rid of all of the immediate sellers. Alot of people wouldnt want to wait that long to get their money, and unless there was an auto delivery system, people wouldnt want to wait that long for the item to get to them. BTW, was the auction house thing confirmed to be in the next game? Last i had heard it was still (a very popular) suggestion.

I wonder what it is youre buying, because besides one attempted scam (item switch) all sellers have been fair with me (at worst they charge ignorant prices). If people dont pay attention to the price of things thats their fault, not the fault of the honesty of the seller. Auction houses (unless every auction were linked) wouldnt solve this since youd still have to look all over to find what you wanted.

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If you enjoy it, then what's the prob? There will still be uber Golds!

More to the point, I used to enjoy it more, enjoy it less now (due to the ever expanding collector/easily acquired green series), and if everything is collector-ized there will be no ejoyment. As is right now things are worth nothing or 100k+. No middle class at all. Sad.

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Keep these please Anet! Remember the casual gamer...

Yes lets hand everything to the casual gamer. Lets not make them actually earn anything, or really even get that big of a sense of accomplishment out of anything either. In otherwords, lets make it all pointless.

Like i said, I dont mind that collector items are max, and contain some good mods. They contain mods that allow for some great flexibility in general builds. However, when you hand the casual gamer access to everything on a platter, (especially in PvE) and allow them to run the most maximized versions of any potential build without putting much work in it at all, thats where my problems are at.

In pvp, none of this matters since they have access to basic maxed items anyway, so noone give me the sob story about how they want everything as competitively even as possible (since thats the only place such differences really matter).

Take the sense of accomplishment away from people and they wont play anymore (whether in pve or pvp), simple as that.

-Ex0dus

Sidra · Mar 25, 2006, 01:36 PM // 13:36

You all realize that they may get nerfed after the real Factions starts because we are *lvl 20s at the start of the game, ffs*. I doubt that they'd offer that kind of stuff to newbies. I also doubt that newbies would ever make it to House Zu Heltzer on their own anyway.

Ex0dus · Mar 25, 2006, 01:51 PM // 13:51

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You all realize that they may get nerfed after the real Factions starts because we are *lvl 20s at the start of the game, ffs*. I doubt that they'd offer that kind of stuff to newbies. I also doubt that newbies would ever make it to House Zu Heltzer on their own anyway.

True enough, but if the collector items arent changed from their current state, does it matter whether or not they can get to the area where the collector actually is? Of course not, people will deviler it to them the second they have accessible storage for rock bottom prices (whatever factions equivalent of post-searing is). Still killing whatever is left from this thing we like to call an economy.

-Ex0dus

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Mar 25, 2006, 01:57 PM // 13:57

Finally! Strength shields! Hallevuyah!
Too bad its -5(20%), +30 health always

I much prefer a +45 health, -2 while in stance (req. 9 strength)
Please ANET, PLEASE!!!!!!

Amok · Mar 25, 2006, 02:03 PM // 14:03

I think you have a valid point Ex0dus, but I also like this game because it rewards the casual player. As everyone knows, Anet has always stated that it's skill over time spent playing but they do have some pretty good items that can only be gotten from drops (such as a +5 energy > 50 wand with 10% skill recharge).

Maybe they could make such collector items harder to obtain (such as bleached shells in Prophecies).

But with these new collector items, we might also see even better items that the collectors don't have.